Legal Scholar Says Don’t Panic Over Justice Kennedy’s Questioning Of Marriage Equality

Legal Scholar Says Don’t Panic Over Justice Kennedy’s Questioning Of Marriage Equality

marraigeThe justices asked tough questions of both sides during oral argument, particularly Justice Kennedy and Chief Justice Roberts who are often believed to be “swing votes.” Throughout their peppering questions, neither clearly tipped their hat in any meaningful way.

While proponents and opponents alike will take little solace in reading the tea leaves, the rigorous exchanges are important for preserving the integrity of the judicial process and the Court’s legitimacy.

Justice Kennedy’s questions suggest that he is torn between seeing marriage as an institution intended to confer dignity on spouses and an institution that for millennia was understood to be between a man and a woman. There should be caution in reading too much into this. Justice Kennedy mentioned this tension in his pro-marriage equality decision in Windsor. Kennedy’s questioning of the attorney representing the states provided the most insight when the states’ representative argued that marriage is not about conferring dignity on spouses. Justice Kennedy responded that the whole point was recognizing that same-sex couples “have a dignity that can be fulfilled” in marriage.

For the Chief Justice, the crux of his questions seem to rest on questions of the democratic process and whether the Court would prematurely end debate on same-sex marriage if the justices rule in favor of the couples in June. Those lines of questions are noteworthy, in part, because the Chief Justice almost certainly played an important role in expanding marriage from 19 states to 37 states in the last six months by denying petitions to hear other marriage cases and rejecting applications to delay the implementation of decisions favoring same-sex marriage.

Most observers going into oral arguments believed that same-sex marriage proponents will win when the Supreme Court rules in June. Nothing today gives cause to believe those initial predictions are wrong.

Anthony Michael Kreis is a doctoral student at the University of Georgia’s School of Public and International Affairs, specializing in sexual orientation, judicial decision making, social change and the law. He holds a law degree from Washington and Lee University. Since 2010, he’s worked on religious liberty issues in proposed same-sex marriage legislation. He is the author of a series of articles and is currently working on a book length project the courts and same-sex marriage. 

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Laverne Cox and Janet Mock React to Bruce Jenner's Coming Out as Trans: VIDEO

Laverne Cox and Janet Mock React to Bruce Jenner's Coming Out as Trans: VIDEO

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MSNBC commentator and author Janet Mock interviewed transgender icon Laverne Cox at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner asking her thoughts about Bruce Jenner’s interview with Diane Sawyer Friday night.

Cox responded that she felt viewers tuned in to see a ‘spectacle,’ but instead saw a “profoundly nuanced, complicated, beautiful human being.”

Although Cox applauded the way ABC conducted the interview, she added that Jenner’s story is just ‘one story’ and that even Cox’s visibility didn’t save trans youth like Leelah Alcorn’s life and urged for structural and policy change to better trans people’s lives.

Watch Cox discuss Jenner’s interview with Mock further, AFTER THE JUMP

 


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SCOTUS and Marriage Equality — The Sky Is Not Falling

SCOTUS and Marriage Equality — The Sky Is Not Falling
The Supreme Court of the United States heard two and a half hours of arguments on marriage equality on Tuesday. Now we must wait patiently until June when SCOTUS will announce their decision. Optimism and polls on marriage equality are higher than ever, perhaps because citizens in 36 states and Washington, D.C., already have marriage equality, and the sky did not fall.

Metropolitan Community Churches (MCC) are proud to say marriage equality has been part of our DNA for almost 50 years. One of the first things our founder, Rev. Elder Troy Perry, did after forming Metropolitan Community Church in 1968 was to begin performing marriage ceremonies.

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(MCC Founder, Rev. Elder Troy Perry, and Moderator, Rev. Dr. Nancy Wilson, working for marriage equality for almost 50 years.)

Over my decades of ministry, I have married hundreds of same-gender couples, and MCC has performed tens of thousands of marriages.

Early in my ministry, two elderly women, Connie and Eva, came to me to marry. They met in 1932 in Marlene Dietrich’s lesbian-friendly nightclub in Berlin. Eva was German; Connie was African-American. They were separated by World War II but reunited when Eva came to live with Connie in the United States. For decades, they lived as “Mrs. Winne and her maid Connie” until they found MCC and realized they could finally be authentically who they were: lifelong lovers, married in every way but in the eyes of the law. Everything changed when they knelt together at the altar to profess the love they had shared for 40 years. They were finally able to be open.

In 1975, Rev. Freda Smith, an MCC pastor, performed the wedding of Anthony Corbett Sullivan and Richard Frank Adams. The marriage laws in Colorado did not specify gender, so a county clerk saw no reason not to give them a license. MCC performed the first legal same-gender marriage in the country!

In June of 1970, The Advocate published “Perry Plans Marriage Test.” Reporter John Zeh described Rev. Perry’s plan to challenge California’s opposite-gender-only marriage laws. And he did! Represented by LA attorney Al Gordon, Rev. Perry brought the suit on behalf of Neva Heckman and Judith Bellew, a couple whose wedding he officiated in 1969. MCC mobilized the world’s first action for legal recognition for same-gender marriages. The lawsuit was dismissed, but the struggle had begun.

In 1971, Life magazine devoted two pages to Metropolitan Community Churches in an article called “Homosexuals in Revolution: A Church for Homosexuals.” Rev. Perry was pictured performing a wedding ceremony for Andre Charland and Richard Castle. The caption noted that marriages were being performed, but they were not legal — an indirect recognition of the inequality we faced.

All along, we knew that dismissing our marriages was unjust and probably illegal. For decades, MCC members around the world joined Rev. Perry in Valentine’s Day actions. We would go to the local officials, as same-sex couples, dramatically ask for a marriage license, and just as dramatically be turned down.

When Valentine’s Day rolls around next February, it is likely that all couples who choose to marry will be able to do so in the United States and in a growing number of other countries.

We know that being true to ourselves and our families is having an impact. When an MCC minister, Rev. Roberto Gonzalez, performed the first public same sex wedding at an ILGA conference in Rio in 1994, no one dreamed that Brazil, Uraguay, Argentina, Mexico City, Colombia, and Venezuela would today recognize legal marriages or civil unions.

When Rev. Dr. Brent Hawkes of Canada researched Canadian law and performed Canada’s first legal marriage in 2001 — and it held up in court in 2003 — we knew the orbit of planet justice had shifted on its axis.

History is being made. We have told our stories, claimed our stories, and treasured our stories. As Evan Wolfson stated in a recent Face the Nation interview, even if SCOTUS rules against marriage equality, we will continue to work for equality state-by-state.

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Queen Latifah Stands For Marriage Equality, Is Angry About Homophobia In The Black Community

Queen Latifah Stands For Marriage Equality, Is Angry About Homophobia In The Black Community

uptown-queen-latifah-as-bessie-21People’s ideas in general are antiquated when it comes to who you love. We haven’t moved as quickly as we probably should. And the reality is that there’s always been gay people in the black community, so it’s not foreign to us. And not just as a black community but just a society as a whole…Who you choose to marry is really up to you and it’s not something you should be judged on. I don’t find being gay or lesbian to be a character flaw. Couples should be protected under the laws of this country period. It actually angers me. It’s not unusual so let’s be adults and let’s move forward.”

 

Queen Latifah, who plays the late lady-loving blues legend Bessie Smith in HBO’s Bessie, in an interview with Uptown magazine

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Marriage at the Supreme Court 2.0 Analysis: Recognizing Valid Out-of-State Marriages

Marriage at the Supreme Court 2.0 Analysis: Recognizing Valid Out-of-State Marriages

BY ARI EZRA WALDMAN

THIS ANALYSIS IS CONTINUED FROM PART 3. FOLLOW ALONG ON THE AUDIO CLIP FOR QUESTION 2.

DriemeierAs we have discussed, the single consolidated case of Obergefell v. Hodges raised two legal questions. The first question, which we have been discussing, is whether the Fourteenth Amendment prohibits States from banning gays from marrying. The second question, inspired by several plaintiff couples who married in one state but live in states that do not allow gays to marry, asks whether the Fourteenth Amendment allows a states to refuse to recognize valid marriages performed out of state.

A few preliminary notes before we get to the argument:

  • If plaintiffs win on Question 1 — if the Fourteenth Amendment prohibits marriage discrimination — Question 2 is irrelevant. Plaintiffs would be able to go home and get married.

  • It is possible that the Court could agree with one party on one question and disagree with that party on another question. For example, the Court could say states have to recognize valid out of state marriages, but they need not be forced to perform them on their own. That’s a tough middle road because it would ultimately result in a nationwide right to marry, but cause significant hardship.

WhelanThe argument lasted a little under an hour. Doug Hallward-Driemeier (above, right), an accomplished Supreme Court practitioner, argued for marriage equality. Mr. Hallward-Driemeier, like his colleague Mary Bonauto, did a fine job under difficult circumstances. Ms. Bonauto had a hotter bench. Compared to both, Mr. Joseph Whelan (right), Solicitor General of Tennessee, was an absolutely failure. He started his argument at about minute 24. He didn’t know the law, made obvious mistakes on basic material, and had the justices asking questions as if Mr. Whelan were back in first year of law school. The first 10 minutes of his argument amounted to the justices challenging him on basic questions of law. Justice Breyer, often playing the role of the referee today, took a professorial approach: “what case says that”, for example, When this happens, you know your day is going poorly.

A few notable things happened (and didn’t happen):

  • Justice Kennedy did not ask a single question on Question 2. This could be a tip of that hat to where Justice Kennedy is leaning. Question 2 is irrelevant if the Court decides that States cannot ban gays from marrying. That Justice Kennedy didn’t have any questions — that he wasn’t concerned about any legal issue — may suggest that he doesn’t need to address Question 2. 

    And it wasn’t just Justice Kennedy. There was decidedly fewer questions, and fewer hostile questions, from the bench during Question 2. This suggests that several members of the Court are indeed ready and willing to decide on Question 1.

  • At Minute 25, Justice Scalia wanted to know why the Full Faith and Credit Clause, which requires states to recognize the rulings and decisions of other states, does not control Question 2. It took Mr. Whelan some time, after a detour into several incorrect statements of law, to finally aver that Supreme Court precedents have distinguished between court orders and things like marriage licenses. Orders and judgments get full faith and credit; traditionally, marriage licenses do not. Notably, it doesn’t have to be that way. The Supreme Court could say that the clause could apply to marriage licenses.

The rest of the argument seemed like an anti-climax. Mr. Hallward-Driemeier did a fine job going back to his talking points and framing the debate according to the narrative of his clients. Mr. Whelan failed miserably from question to question.

Stay tuned to Towleroad for analysis once we take a few steps back.

And if you missed the earlier parts of this analysis, you can find them here: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3

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Ari Ezra Waldman is Associate Professor of Law and the Director of the Institute for Information Law and Policy at New York Law School. He holds a Ph.D. from Columbia University, a J.D. from Harvard Law School, and a B.A. from Harvard College. Ari writes regular posts on law and various LGBT issues.


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Andrew Demeter, Vlogger, Interviews Westboro Baptist's Shirley Phelps

Andrew Demeter, Vlogger, Interviews Westboro Baptist's Shirley Phelps
What would you say to the Westboro Baptist Church if you had the chance to speak to one of its leaders?

YouTube vlogger Andrew Demeter, 17, recently had the opportunity to sit down with the Shirley Phelps and talk one-on-one about her beliefs surrounding the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community. Shirley Phelps is the daughter of the late Fred Phelps, the Westboro Baptist Church founder who passed away in March 2014.

Maintaining a calm demeanor throughout the entire interview, Demeter doesn’t shy away from an open dialogue about questions we all have about Westboro, even telling Phelps at one point, “Well Shirley, if you’re going to Heaven, I am more than happy to go to Hell.”

The Huffington Post chatted with Demeter about his interview with Phelps this week.

The Huffington Post: Why did you decide to interview Shirley?
Andrew Demeter: In the past few months, I’ve brainstormed a list of some 25 newsmakers and other influencers who I want to interview at some point in the near future. Having already interviewed diverse characters like Fran Drescher, John McAfee and Nancy Pelosi, among others, Shirley was simply next on the list. My goal for the interview was simple: to attempt to understand the “rationale” of a hate-monger. This, however, soon proved futile as I was seeking out logic and reason where it wasn’t meant to be found. Another motivation for interviewing Shirley was to uncover from where her hatred [stemmed].

How did you get Shirley to agree to the interview?
Surprisingly, Shirley agreed to the interview with relative haste. I had contacted her via Twitter weeks beforehand to no avail, but after following up we scheduled a convenient date and time. I began surfing the web for additional research, binge-watching documentaries and other interviews, and immersing myself (from afar) into the Westboro Baptist Church’s culture.

What do you want viewers to take away from your interview?
The underlying message of this interview is the paradox that religion may incur violence. It is abysmal to justify hateful actions with mere words once inscribed on ancient tablets and parchment paper.

At the end of the interview, Demeter tells Phelps that he “respects her on a human level” and would have given her a hug if they weren’t conducting the interview through Skype.

Head here to see more from Demeter, including interviews with Fran Drescher, John McAfee, and Nancy Pelosi.

Parts of this interview have been modified and/or condensed.

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