{"id":47005,"date":"2016-11-06T10:20:37","date_gmt":"2016-11-06T15:20:37","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.gayfriendschat.com\/socialblog\/nate-silver-drops-f-bomb-in-furious-tweetstorm-defending-538s-prediction-model\/"},"modified":"2016-11-06T10:20:37","modified_gmt":"2016-11-06T15:20:37","slug":"nate-silver-drops-f-bomb-in-furious-tweetstorm-defending-538s-prediction-model","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.gayfriendschat.com\/socialblog\/nate-silver-drops-f-bomb-in-furious-tweetstorm-defending-538s-prediction-model\/","title":{"rendered":"Nate Silver Drops F-bomb in Furious Tweetstorm Defending 538\u2019s Prediction Model"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><b>Nate Silver Drops F-bomb in Furious Tweetstorm Defending 538\u2019s Prediction Model<\/b><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.towleroad.com\/2016\/11\/nate-silver-defends-prediction-model-huffpost-writer-furious-tweetstorm\/nate_silver\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-332090\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/i2.wp.com\/www.towleroad.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/nate_silver.jpeg?resize=600%2C322\" alt=\"Nate Silver\" srcset=\"http:\/\/i2.wp.com\/www.towleroad.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/nate_silver.jpeg?w=600 600w, http:\/\/i2.wp.com\/www.towleroad.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/nate_silver.jpeg?resize=300%2C161 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Incensed by <a href=\"http:\/\/www.huffingtonpost.com\/entry\/nate-silver-election-forecast_us_581e1c33e4b0d9ce6fbc6f7f?\" target=\"_blank\">an article from&nbsp;HuffPost&rsquo;s Washington Bureau Chief Ryan Grim<\/a> criticizing <a href=\"http:\/\/projects.fivethirtyeight.com\/2016-election-forecast\/?ex_cid=rrpromo\" target=\"_blank\">538.com and its prediction model<\/a>, 538&rsquo;s election prognosticator&nbsp;Nate Silver unleashed a furious tweetstorm&nbsp;on Saturday.<\/p>\n<p>Grim accused Silver of &ldquo;just guessing&rdquo; by &ldquo;changing the results of polls to fit where he thinks the polls truly are, rather than simply entering the poll numbers into his model and crunching them&rdquo; as opposed to other models that simply look at the hard numbers.<\/p>\n<h2><a href=\"http:\/\/www.towleroad.com\/2016\/11\/weekend-election-update\/florida_clinton\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-332076\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/i1.wp.com\/www.towleroad.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/florida_clinton.jpeg?resize=150%2C86\" alt=\"florida_clinton\" srcset=\"http:\/\/i1.wp.com\/www.towleroad.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/florida_clinton.jpeg?resize=300%2C171 300w, http:\/\/i1.wp.com\/www.towleroad.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/florida_clinton.jpeg?w=600 600w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\"><\/a>RELATED:&nbsp;<em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.towleroad.com\/2016\/11\/weekend-election-update\/\">Massive Final Weekend Election 2016 Update: Lots of Links<\/a><\/em><\/h2>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.huffingtonpost.com\/entry\/nate-silver-election-forecast_us_581e1c33e4b0d9ce6fbc6f7f?\" target=\"_blank\">Wrote Grim<\/a>:<\/p>\n<p>Silver <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=grq0&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">calls<\/a> this unskewing a &ldquo;<a href=\"http:\/\/fivethirtyeight.com\/features\/a-users-guide-to-fivethirtyeights-2016-general-election-forecast\/\" data-beacon='{\"p\":{\"mnid\":\"entry_text\",\"lnid\":\"citation\",\"mpid\":4,\"plid\":\"http:\/\/fivethirtyeight.com\/features\/a-users-guide-to-fivethirtyeights-2016-general-election-forecast\/\"}}'>trend line adjustment<\/a>.&rdquo; He compares a poll to previous polls conducted by the same polling firm, makes a series of assumptions, runs a regression analysis, and gets a new poll number. That&rsquo;s the number he sticks in his model &#8213; not the original number.<\/p>\n<p>He may end up being right, but he&rsquo;s just guessing. A &ldquo;trend line adjustment&rdquo; is merely political punditry dressed up as sophisticated mathematical modeling.<\/p>\n<p>Guess who benefits from the unskewing?<\/p>\n<p>By the time he&rsquo;s done adjusting the &ldquo;trend line,&rdquo; Clinton has lost 0.2 points and<em>Trump has gained 1.7 points. <\/em>An adjustment of below 2 points may not seem like much, but it&rsquo;s enough to throw off his entire forecast, taking a comfortable 4.6 point Clinton lead and making it look like a nail-biter.<\/p>\n<p>Grim notes that the HuffPost pollster gives Clinton 98 percent chance of winning while the NY Times has Clinton&rsquo;s chances at 85 percent.<\/p>\n<h2>RELATED:&nbsp;<em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.towleroad.com\/2016\/10\/nate-silver\/\" target=\"_blank\">Colbert Asks Nate Silver to Predict What Will Happen if Trump Won&rsquo;t Concede: WATCH<\/a><\/em><\/h2>\n<p>Silver&rsquo;s model has it as a much tighter race with Clinton currently at 65.5%.<\/p>\n<p>Grim accused Silver of &ldquo;ratcheting up the panic&rdquo; unnecessarily, and in favor of Trump:<\/p>\n<p>Silver&rsquo;s guess that the race is up for grabs might be a completely reasonable assertion &#8213; but it&rsquo;s the stuff of punditry, not mathematical forecasting.<\/p>\n<p>Punditry has been Silver&rsquo;s go-to move this election cycle, and it hasn&rsquo;t served him well. He repeatedly pronounced that Trump had a close to 0 percent chance of winning the Republican primary, even as he led in the polls.<\/p>\n<p>Silver ripped into Grim on Saturday afternoon:<\/p>\n<blockquote data-width=\"550\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">This article is so <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/www.flirt4free.com\/live\/girls\/couples\/?mp_code=akftr\">fucking<\/a> idiotic and irresponsible. <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/VNp02CvxlI\">t.co\/VNp02CvxlI<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/NateSilver538\/status\/794994593574113282\">November 5, 2016<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<blockquote data-width=\"550\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">The reason we adjust polls for the national trend is because **that&#8217;s what works best emperically**. It&#8217;s not a subjective assumption.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/NateSilver538\/status\/794994991730933766\">November 5, 2016<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<blockquote data-width=\"550\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">It&#8217;s wrong to show Clinton with a 6-point lead (as per HuffPo) when **almost no national poll shows that**. Doesn&#8217;t reflect the data.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/NateSilver538\/status\/794996132946608128\">November 5, 2016<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<blockquote data-width=\"550\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Every model makes assumptions but we actually test ours based on the evidence. Some of the other models are barley even empirical.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/NateSilver538\/status\/794996711315951616\">November 5, 2016<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<blockquote data-width=\"550\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">There are also a gajillion ways to make a model overconfident, whereas it&#8217;s pretty hard to make one overconfident.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/NateSilver538\/status\/794997715604213761\">November 5, 2016<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<blockquote data-width=\"550\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">If you haven&#8217;t carefully tested how errors are correlated between states, for example, your model will be way overconfident.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/NateSilver538\/status\/794998116630020097\">November 5, 2016<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<blockquote data-width=\"550\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Not just an issue in elections models. Failure to understand how risks are correlated is part of what led to the 2007\/8 financial crisis.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/NateSilver538\/status\/794998671658143744\">November 5, 2016<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<blockquote data-width=\"550\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">There&#8217;s a reasonable range of disagreement. But a model showing Clinton at 98% or 99% is not defensible based on the empirical evidence.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/NateSilver538\/status\/794999198894751744\">November 5, 2016<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<blockquote data-width=\"550\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">We constantly write about our assumptions and **provide evidence** for why we think they&#8217;re the right ones. <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/IhLKXdxGGK\">t.co\/IhLKXdxGGK<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/NateSilver538\/status\/795000413573545984\">November 5, 2016<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<blockquote data-width=\"550\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">That&#8217;s what makes a model a useful scientific &amp; journalistic tool. It&#8217;s a way to understand how elections work. Not just about the results.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/NateSilver538\/status\/795001036910063618\">November 5, 2016<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<blockquote data-width=\"550\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">The problem is that we&#8217;re doing this in a world where people&mdash;like <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/ryangrim\">@ryangrim<\/a>&mdash;don&#8217;t actually give a shit about evidence and proof.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/NateSilver538\/status\/795001578667278337\">November 5, 2016<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<blockquote data-width=\"550\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">The philosophy behind 538 is: Prove it. Doesn&#8217;t mean we can&#8217;t be wrong (we&#8217;re wrong all the time). But prove it. Don&#8217;t be lazy.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/NateSilver538\/status\/795002442844962817\">November 5, 2016<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<blockquote data-width=\"550\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">And especially don&#8217;t be lazy when your untested assumptions happen to validate your partisan beliefs.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/NateSilver538\/status\/795002706960203777\">November 5, 2016<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Grim <a href=\"http:\/\/www.huffingtonpost.com\/entry\/nate-silver-election-forecast_us_581e1c33e4b0d9ce6fbc6f7f?\" target=\"_blank\">concludes<\/a>:<\/p>\n<p>We&rsquo;ll have to wait and see what happens. Maybe Silver will be right come Election Day &#8213; Trump will win Florida, and we&rsquo;ll all be in for a very long night. Or our forecast will be right, she&rsquo;ll win nationally by 5 or 6, and we can all turn in early.<\/p>\n<p>If he&rsquo;s right, though, it was just a good guess &#8213; a fortunate &ldquo;trend line adjustment&rdquo; &#8213; not a mathematical forecast. If you want to put your faith in the numbers, you can relax. She&rsquo;s got this.<\/p>\n<p>(h\/t\/ <a href=\"http:\/\/www.politico.com\/story\/2016\/11\/nate-silver-huffington-post-polls-twitter-230815\" target=\"_blank\">politico<\/a>)<\/p>\n<p>The post <a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/www.towleroad.com\/2016\/11\/538\/\">Nate Silver Drops F-bomb in Furious Tweetstorm Defending 538&rsquo;s Prediction Model<\/a> appeared first on <a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/www.towleroad.com\/\">Towleroad<\/a>.<\/p>\n<div>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/feeds.towleroad.com\/~ff\/towleroad\/feed?a=4saF8U42ZVQ:3_HECF2CBa8:qj6IDK7rITs\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/~ff\/towleroad\/feed?d=qj6IDK7rITs\" border=\"0\"><\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/feeds.towleroad.com\/~ff\/towleroad\/feed?a=4saF8U42ZVQ:3_HECF2CBa8:I9og5sOYxJI\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/~ff\/towleroad\/feed?d=I9og5sOYxJI\" border=\"0\"><\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/feeds.towleroad.com\/~ff\/towleroad\/feed?a=4saF8U42ZVQ:3_HECF2CBa8:yIl2AUoC8zA\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/~ff\/towleroad\/feed?d=yIl2AUoC8zA\" border=\"0\"><\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/feeds.towleroad.com\/~ff\/towleroad\/feed?a=4saF8U42ZVQ:3_HECF2CBa8:gIN9vFwOqvQ\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/~ff\/towleroad\/feed?i=4saF8U42ZVQ:3_HECF2CBa8:gIN9vFwOqvQ\" border=\"0\"><\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/feeds.towleroad.com\/~ff\/towleroad\/feed?a=4saF8U42ZVQ:3_HECF2CBa8:cGdyc7Q-1BI\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/~ff\/towleroad\/feed?d=cGdyc7Q-1BI\" border=\"0\"><\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/feeds.towleroad.com\/~ff\/towleroad\/feed?a=4saF8U42ZVQ:3_HECF2CBa8:YwkR-u9nhCs\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/~ff\/towleroad\/feed?d=YwkR-u9nhCs\" border=\"0\"><\/a>\n<\/div>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/~r\/towleroad\/feed\/~4\/4saF8U42ZVQ\" height=\"1\" width=\"1\" alt=\"\"><br \/>\n<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"vI1hftb5eC\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.towleroad.com\/2016\/11\/538\/\">Nate Silver Drops F-bomb in Furious Tweetstorm Defending 538&#8217;s Prediction Model<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; clip: rect(1px, 1px, 1px, 1px);\" title=\"&#8220;Nate Silver Drops F-bomb in Furious Tweetstorm Defending 538&#8217;s Prediction Model&#8221; &#8212; Towleroad Gay News\" src=\"https:\/\/www.towleroad.com\/2016\/11\/538\/embed\/#?secret=weYpruQluB#?secret=vI1hftb5eC\" data-secret=\"vI1hftb5eC\" width=\"474\" height=\"267\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Nate Silver Drops F-bomb in Furious Tweetstorm Defending 538\u2019s Prediction Model Incensed by an article from&nbsp;HuffPost&rsquo;s Washington Bureau Chief Ryan Grim criticizing <a href=\"http:\/\/538.com\" class=\"autohyperlink\">538.com<\/a> and its prediction model, 538&rsquo;s election prognosticator&nbsp;Nate Silver unleashed a furious tweetstorm&nbsp;on Saturday. 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