{"id":3720,"date":"2014-06-12T22:20:10","date_gmt":"2014-06-13T02:20:10","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.gayfriendschat.com\/socialblog\/going-from-boys-to-men-with-our-fathers\/"},"modified":"2014-06-12T22:20:10","modified_gmt":"2014-06-13T02:20:10","slug":"going-from-boys-to-men-with-our-fathers","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.gayfriendschat.com\/socialblog\/going-from-boys-to-men-with-our-fathers\/","title":{"rendered":"Going From Boys to Men With Our Fathers"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><b>Going From Boys to Men With Our Fathers<\/b><br \/>\nAs Father&#8217;s Day approaches, I think about my father. As <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">boys<\/a>, our first relationship with a <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">man<\/a> is with our fathers. This is especially important for <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">gay<\/a> <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">males<\/a>, since our adult love relationships will be with other <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">men<\/a>. <\/p>\n<p>I wrote a chapter on our relationships with our fathers and how they affect our sense of masculinity and our relationships with other <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">men<\/a> in my book <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Smart-Things-Find-Real-Love\/dp\/193683331X\" target=\"_hplink\"><em>10 Smart Things Gay Men Can Do to Find Real Love<\/em><\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>The day comes when we must go from <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">boy<\/a> to <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">man<\/a> with our fathers. When I became a <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">man<\/a> with my own father, he could not bear it. Sadly, it ended our relationship, but I have never regretted doing it. <\/p>\n<p><strong>My Relationship With My Own Father<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The work I urge on my clients began as a result of my own work with my father. I was raised in a <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/www.flirt4free.com\/live\/girls\/?mp_code=akftr\">female<\/a>-dominated family where the adults were always trying to make a &#8220;<a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">man<\/a>&#8221; out of me. They were concerned that all the <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/www.flirt4free.com\/live\/girls\/?mp_code=akftr\">women<\/a> might &#8220;feminize&#8221; me and make me <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">gay<\/a>, so they would place me with other <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">males<\/a>, such as my uncles, and encourage me in sports, neither of which I liked. All I wanted was my own father &#8212; and I never got him.<\/p>\n<p>Most of the time during my growing-up years, my father was absent from my life. When he was around, what affected me negatively was mostly what didn&#8217;t happen and what wasn&#8217;t said.  As a child and teenager, I was a very verbal and emotional, open about my feelings and thoughts. But early on I perceived that my father wasn&#8217;t OK with that aspect of me, so to receive his love and approval, I unconsciously decided to be quiet and go with what I thought was his program. <\/p>\n<p>I sat up at night crying, wondering what it was about me that he didn&#8217;t like, as I did not feel loved by him. I thought that perhaps I was unwanted or was just a reminder that his first marriage to my mother had gone bad. I believed he really didn&#8217;t love me, and that the reason he never told me was that it would be wrong for a father to say this to his son.<\/p>\n<p>But after I became a therapist and learned more about my father&#8217;s formative years, I came to understand that it probably wasn&#8217;t personal. Most likely, he gave to me all that he could; perhaps that was all he himself had received as a child. My father is the last of 10 children, so I can imagine the neglect he must have suffered in such a big family.  Yet I had to deal with the marginal relationship with him that did impact my forming a <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">male<\/a> and relational identity.<\/p>\n<p>When I was 3 and my sister was 1, our parents divorced.  One year later my father remarried and later had a son with his new wife.  As a divorced part-time dad, he was an adequate  provider, taking my sister and me for visits each weekend. I remember spending most of my time with his wife while he watched sports on television. To this day I cringe inside when I hear a sporting event on television, especially on weekends. <\/p>\n<p>As I grew older I could no longer hold in the feelings and emotions I felt toward my father, so I tried to tell him. But I did not experience him as receptive; he&#8217;d change the subject or tell me he did not want to hear it, saying he felt chastised and attacked. And as a young teenager, I was admittedly aggressive and hurtful at first. I lacked the skills to talk to him, but hurting him was the last thing I meant. Instead, I wanted him to hold me and tell me my hurt feelings and perceptions were justified, even if he felt differently. <\/p>\n<p>Once, when I tried to talk to my father, he walked away from me physically.  Another time he packed up my sister and me and took us home. Still another time I was driving him to lunch when I began trying to talk about our relationship. I remember him ordering me to turn the car around and go back home, which I did. Each time he stopped the conversation, I would avoid him until things seemed better between us and it was like nothing had happened. <\/p>\n<p>I wasn&#8217;t physically afraid of my father, but I never wanted to make him angry or have him upset with me. I avoided these types of discussions with him, yet I wanted to have my truth out between us. I had so many questions about how he felt with my mother, about leaving me at age 3 and making a new family. <\/p>\n<p>One line in Eminem&#8217;s song &#8220;Cleaning Out My Closet&#8221; refers to his father, who left him at a young age: &#8220;I wonder if he even kissed me goodbye.&#8221; <\/p>\n<p>I wondered the same thing.<\/p>\n<p>Those were the kinds of conversations I wanted to have with my father. Even if they weren&#8217;t things I wanted to hear, I wanted to hear them anyway, because they still stood in my way of having a good and connected relationship with him. I wanted to talk them out because they were negatively impacting my relationship with him.   I felt that I was holding on to things he had done and said and needed to get them off my chest, because I knew they were impacting my relationships with other <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">men<\/a>, both straight and <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">gay<\/a>, and particularly my ability to find a partner. <\/p>\n<p>At age 37 I began to realize I was carrying part of my father&#8217;s baggage, which he&#8217;d unintentionally passed onto me as a <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">boy<\/a>. I needed to give it back. So with the help of the <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">men<\/a> in a group to which I belonged, I worked on approaching my dad for a heart-to-heart talk.  <\/p>\n<p>I met him for lunch, but once he realized this was one of those occasions where I&#8217;d talk on a deeper level about my feelings and our relationship, he said, &#8220;Joe, I cannot do this.&#8221; <\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Do what?&#8221; I asked. <\/p>\n<p>&#8220;The past is over and done with.  Can&#8217;t you get over it?  Can&#8217;t we move on?&#8221; <\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Dad, that&#8217;s what I am trying to do. I just need to express my feelings, not just about the past but about the present as well.&#8221;  <\/p>\n<p>My father shook his head in disappointment and began to rise from his chair. &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry, son,&#8221; he said. &#8220;I cannot do this.&#8221; <\/p>\n<p>It was then that I went from <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">boy<\/a> to <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">man<\/a>. Afraid and yet not afraid at the same time, I stood up and said firmly, &#8220;Sit down!&#8221;  <\/p>\n<p>He looked at me in disbelief. &#8220;What did you say?&#8221; <\/p>\n<p>I wasn&#8217;t going to cower to his disapproval this time. I felt myself coming into my mature masculinity and wanted to talk <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">man<\/a>-to-<a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">man<\/a> with my father. <\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I said, &#8216;Sit down,&#8217; Dad!&#8221; <\/p>\n<p>Silence. The restaurant around us vanished, and mentally I was my 25-year-old self who had turned the car around when he&#8217;d demanded that I do so, with my <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/www.flirt4free.com\/live\/girls\/couples\/?mp_code=akftr\">teenage<\/a> and preteen selves standing beside me. This time my masculine, 37-year-old self wasn&#8217;t going to back down. Once more I said, &#8220;I am asking you nicely to sit down!&#8221; And to my total disbelief, he did. <\/p>\n<p>Shocked, I calmly sat down and firmly began telling my father of my pain, my sorrow, my desire for more from him and with him. Many times as I was talking to him, I thought to myself that even if he wasn&#8217;t listening, I had to do this for me. I had to give him back all the baggage he&#8217;d passed on to me so that I no longer carried it for him.  Secretly I hoped that he was listening, that somehow my pain and my feelings would open up his, to let him connect with me as I&#8217;d always dreamed of.<\/p>\n<p>He sat there and listened. He wept, and so did I.  <\/p>\n<p>In fact, I realized that so much of what I was saying to him was the exact complaints I had with my partner Mike. I had begun to realize that many of the issues I had with Mike were the result of the unfinished business I had with my father. I listened to myself tell my father things I&#8217;d said to Mike over the years.  Now I saw that these things were clearly between my father and me, and that I&#8217;d projected them onto Mike. I found it comforting that I could go to Mike after this and begin removing these negatives that came from my fathering and exorcise them from our relationship. <\/p>\n<p>After an hour I was finished. My father had hardly said a word. I knew that for him, this had not gone well. He wouldn&#8217;t and couldn&#8217;t go where I needed him to go with me. But that was OK, because I went by myself. I didn&#8217;t attack or blame him, <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=grq0&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">call<\/a> him names, or humiliate or belittle him. I stayed with the data that existed between us: my feelings and judgments.  I had done a &#8220;clearing&#8221; with him, as I describe in Chapter Six, the chapter on communication. I had purged longstanding issues that had prevented me from maturing from a <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">boy<\/a>, not only with him but in other areas of my life. I firmly believe that on that day I became a <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">man<\/a>. I blessed myself.<\/p>\n<p>A strained relationship with your father growing up doesn&#8217;t make you <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">gay<\/a>, as some today still believe. It doesn&#8217;t even make you more or less masculine. However, it can interfere with your relationships with other <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">men<\/a>. And as <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">gay<\/a> <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">men<\/a> who want relationships with other <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">men<\/a>, this is significant.  Our fathers were our first encounters with masculinity. We <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">men<\/a> need their blessings to become <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">men<\/a> and go out into the world to find <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">male<\/a> relationships. 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You will never regret it!<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.huffingtonpost.com\/joe-kort-phd\/going-from-boys-to-men-with-our-fathers_b_5480610.html?utm_hp_ref=gay-voices&#038;ir=Gay+Voices\" class=\"autohyperlink\">www.huffingtonpost.com\/joe-kort-phd\/going-from-boys-to-men-with-our-fathers_b_5480610.html?utm_hp_ref=gay-voices&#038;ir=Gay+Voices<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Going From Boys to Men With Our Fathers As Father&#8217;s Day approaches, I think about my father. As <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">boys<\/a>, our first relationship with a <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">man<\/a> is with our fathers. This is especially important for <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">gay<\/a> <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">males<\/a>, since our adult love relationships will be with other <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">men<\/a>. 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