{"id":23275,"date":"2015-07-23T12:00:02","date_gmt":"2015-07-23T16:00:02","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.gayfriendschat.com\/socialblog\/thailand-isnt-always-the-lgbt-paradise-it-appears-to-be-just-ask-these-gay-dads\/"},"modified":"2015-07-23T12:00:02","modified_gmt":"2015-07-23T16:00:02","slug":"thailand-isnt-always-the-lgbt-paradise-it-appears-to-be-just-ask-these-gay-dads","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.gayfriendschat.com\/socialblog\/thailand-isnt-always-the-lgbt-paradise-it-appears-to-be-just-ask-these-gay-dads\/","title":{"rendered":"Thailand Isn\u2019t Always the LGBT Paradise it Appears To Be. Just Ask These Gay Dads"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><b>Thailand Isn\u2019t Always the LGBT Paradise it Appears To Be. Just Ask These Gay Dads<\/b><\/p>\n<div><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.towleroad.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/Lake.jpg?resize=619%2C503\" alt=\"Gay Dads\"><\/p>\n<p>Gay fathers Bud Lake and Manuel Santos with their child conceived by a surrogate mom in Thailand. They claim she sabotaged their custody process after realizing they&rsquo;re a <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">gay<\/a> <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/www.flirt4free.com\/live\/girls\/couples\/?mp_code=akftr\">couple<\/a>. (@twogaypapas on Twitter Screengrab)<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><strong>By Patrick Winn<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>BANGKOK &mdash; When it comes to <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">gay<\/a> visitors, Thailand doesn&rsquo;t flinch. Two <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">men<\/a> sharing a hotel room on a tropical isle? No problem. Foreign <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/www.flirt4free.com\/live\/girls\/?mp_code=akftr\">women<\/a> strolling hand in hand? Fine.<\/p>\n<p>For tourists, Thailand can feel like an oasis of <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">gay<\/a> acceptance in a world that&rsquo;s often hostile to same-<a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/www.flirt4free.com\/live\/girls\/couples\/?mp_code=akftr\">sex<\/a> romance. This vibe is nurtured at the highest levels: the government actually runs a campaign called&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/gothaibefree.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">&ldquo;Go Thai, Be Free&rdquo;<\/a>&nbsp;to attract spendy <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">gay<\/a> travelers.<\/p>\n<p>But <a href=\"http:\/\/www.towleroad.com\/2015\/07\/gay-couple-facing-worst-nightmare-surrogate-baby-thailand-video\/\" target=\"_blank\">a dramatic case involving two gay dads<\/a> &mdash; one American, one Spanish &mdash; highlights a less alluring reality: Thailand is not the LGBT paradise it often appears to be.<\/p>\n<p>The two married fathers &mdash; Bud Lake and Manuel Santos &mdash; used a surrogacy agency to hire a Thai <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/www.flirt4free.com\/live\/girls\/?mp_code=akftr\">woman<\/a> who agreed to carry their child. The baby is the product of Lake&rsquo;s sperm and an anonymous donor&rsquo;s eggs. (Prior to this arrangement, the <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/www.flirt4free.com\/live\/girls\/couples\/?mp_code=akftr\">couple<\/a> and the Thai surrogate were strangers.)<\/p>\n<p>In January, the <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/www.flirt4free.com\/live\/girls\/couples\/?mp_code=akftr\">couple<\/a> traveled to Bangkok to await the child&rsquo;s birth. It went smoothly and the surrogate mother, according to the <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">men<\/a>, signed much of the paperwork releasing the child into their care. The <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">men<\/a> named their baby Carmen.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p lang=\"und\" dir=\"ltr\"><a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/t9UvbidqoV\">t.co\/t9UvbidqoV<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/HowWeFamily?src=hash\">#HowWeFamily<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/bringcarmenhome?src=hash\">#bringcarmenhome<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/BringCarmenHome\">@BringCarmenHome<\/a>  <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/lgbt?src=hash\">#lgbt<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/family_equality\">@family_equality<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/gayparents?src=hash\">#gayparents<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/t.co\/ycGcawi92z\">pic.twitter.com\/ycGcawi92z<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Twopapas (@twogaypapas) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/twogaypapas\/status\/613351044932743168\">June 23, 2015<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>But the <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/www.flirt4free.com\/live\/girls\/couples\/?mp_code=akftr\">couple<\/a>&rsquo;s self-described nightmare kicked off when the <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/www.flirt4free.com\/live\/girls\/?mp_code=akftr\">woman<\/a> explained to their lawyer &ldquo;that we were not an ordinary family,&rdquo; Lake told GlobalPost. &ldquo;She doesn&rsquo;t think two <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">men<\/a> can bring up a child.&rdquo;<\/p>\n<p>The surrogate mom has since refused to sign documents that would allow the child to leave Thailand and to fully relinquish her rights as the birth mother. &ldquo;Emotionally, we&rsquo;re just shocked,&rdquo; Lake says.<\/p>\n<p>The <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/www.flirt4free.com\/live\/girls\/?mp_code=akftr\">woman<\/a>, who does not share the baby&rsquo;s DNA, has&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=T8CJX16J4Ko&amp;feature=youtu.be\" target=\"_blank\">appeared<\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=T8CJX16J4Ko&amp;feature=youtu.be\" target=\"_blank\">&nbsp;in disguise on Thai TV<\/a>&nbsp;insisting that &ldquo;I had no idea this was a <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">gay<\/a> <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/www.flirt4free.com\/live\/girls\/couples\/?mp_code=akftr\">couple<\/a>&rdquo; when she first signed on and saying that &ldquo;the child was in my belly &hellip; so we have the same heart.&rdquo; The custody dispute is unsettled and in a legal grey zone. So the <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/www.flirt4free.com\/live\/girls\/couples\/?mp_code=akftr\">couple<\/a> is currently hiding&nbsp;in Bangkok with the infant as they&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.change.org\/p\/bring-carmen-home\" target=\"_blank\">battle for full legal custody<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>The case may be surprising to those who see Thailand as a bastion of <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">gay<\/a> tolerance. In many ways, it is. But discrimination against <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">gays<\/a> in Southeast Asia&rsquo;s Buddhist-centric mainland has a decidedly different flavor than US-style anti-<a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">gay<\/a> prejudice.<\/p>\n<p>Thailand&rsquo;s attitude toward homosexuality is far less puritanical than those held by America&rsquo;s religious fundamentalists, who believe <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">gay<\/a> life is a corrupting force on society.<\/p>\n<p>In Thailand, <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">gay<\/a> is generally seen as OK. When the government floated a proposal in recent years to legitimize same-<a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/www.flirt4free.com\/live\/girls\/couples\/?mp_code=akftr\">sex<\/a> couplings, there was no great backlash. The nation simply shrugged. According to&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.posttoday.com\/analysis\/report\/373912\" target=\"_blank\">one poll<\/a>, nearly 90 percent of Thais report having <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">gay<\/a> friends.<\/p>\n<p>But as Lake and Santos have learned, the prejudice often doesn&rsquo;t kick in until homosexuality enters the perceived sanctity of family life.<\/p>\n<p>The notion of <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">gay<\/a> parents remains highly taboo in Southeast Asia. Society has yet to shake a deep-seated notion that homosexuality, while no grave sin, is still an imperfection. The superstitious may even regard it as a minor curse warranted by a past life&rsquo;s misdeeds.<\/p>\n<p>Even youth, often assumed to be enlightened on LGBT rights, report a surprisingly high level of anti-<a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">gay<\/a>&nbsp;sentiment. In a&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.khonthaifoundation.org\/files\/images\/%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%84%E0%B8%99%E0%B9%84%E0%B8%97%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%B4%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%95%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%A3%E0%B9%8C%20%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%82%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%87%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%8A%E0%B8%99%20(Full%20version).pdf\" target=\"_blank\">recent poll<\/a>&nbsp;of Thais aged 15- to 24-year-olds, more than one-quarter said they perceive homosexuality as &ldquo;really wrong.&rdquo; Another 29 percent considers it &ldquo;not so terrible&rdquo; but still wrong. (The rest, 44 percent, called homosexuality &ldquo;not wrong at all.&rdquo;)<\/p>\n<p>Gay <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">men<\/a> are tolerated in Thai society, especially if they adhere to foppish stereotypes. Transgender <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/www.flirt4free.com\/live\/girls\/?mp_code=akftr\">women<\/a> &mdash; so prominent in the world&rsquo;s image of Thailand &mdash; are welcome too so long as they are garish entertainers or sexual playthings, not objects of serious romantic love.<\/p>\n<p>But when it comes to family, many in Thailand do indeed flinch at homosexuality. The&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/englishnews.thaipbs.or.th\/nida-poll-most-thais-agree-with-same-sex-marriage\" target=\"_blank\">most recent&nbsp;<\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/englishnews.thaipbs.or.th\/nida-poll-most-thais-agree-with-same-sex-marriage\" target=\"_blank\">polling<\/a>&nbsp;suggests 60 percent of Thais have &ldquo;no objection&rdquo; to <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">gay<\/a> marriage while 35 percent oppose it.<\/p>\n<p>Foreign tourists can take the government&rsquo;s suggestion and &ldquo;go free&rdquo; with little fear of judgment. But <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">gay<\/a> <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">men<\/a> (foreign or otherwise) who try to become fathers will find that much of Thai society, deep down, believes they are unfit to raise a child.<\/p>\n<p>Much of society, perhaps, but not all. &ldquo;I still think Thai people are very loving and accepting,&rdquo; Lake says. By the thousands, Thais have flooded the <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/www.flirt4free.com\/live\/girls\/couples\/?mp_code=akftr\">couple<\/a>&rsquo;s Facebook page to wish them well. &ldquo;We&rsquo;re hoping the media attention will help show more Thai people that two <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">men<\/a> can be wonderful parents.&rdquo;<\/p>\n<p><em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.globalpost.com\/article\/6619835\/2015\/07\/22\/thailand-isnt-always-lgbt-paradise-it-appears-be-just-ask-these-gay-dads\" target=\"_blank\">This article first appeared on GlobalPost<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>The post <a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/www.towleroad.com\/2015\/07\/gay-dads\/\">Thailand Isn&rsquo;t Always the LGBT Paradise it Appears To Be. Just Ask These Gay Dads<\/a> appeared first on <a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/www.towleroad.com\/\">Towleroad<\/a>.<\/p>\n<div>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/feeds.towleroad.com\/~ff\/towleroad\/feed?a=J_3ZZZWX2xQ:BrdtPEpJVhY:qj6IDK7rITs\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/~ff\/towleroad\/feed?d=qj6IDK7rITs\" border=\"0\"><\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/feeds.towleroad.com\/~ff\/towleroad\/feed?a=J_3ZZZWX2xQ:BrdtPEpJVhY:I9og5sOYxJI\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/~ff\/towleroad\/feed?d=I9og5sOYxJI\" border=\"0\"><\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/feeds.towleroad.com\/~ff\/towleroad\/feed?a=J_3ZZZWX2xQ:BrdtPEpJVhY:yIl2AUoC8zA\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/~ff\/towleroad\/feed?d=yIl2AUoC8zA\" border=\"0\"><\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/feeds.towleroad.com\/~ff\/towleroad\/feed?a=J_3ZZZWX2xQ:BrdtPEpJVhY:gIN9vFwOqvQ\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/~ff\/towleroad\/feed?i=J_3ZZZWX2xQ:BrdtPEpJVhY:gIN9vFwOqvQ\" border=\"0\"><\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/feeds.towleroad.com\/~ff\/towleroad\/feed?a=J_3ZZZWX2xQ:BrdtPEpJVhY:cGdyc7Q-1BI\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/~ff\/towleroad\/feed?d=cGdyc7Q-1BI\" border=\"0\"><\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/feeds.towleroad.com\/~ff\/towleroad\/feed?a=J_3ZZZWX2xQ:BrdtPEpJVhY:YwkR-u9nhCs\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/~ff\/towleroad\/feed?d=YwkR-u9nhCs\" border=\"0\"><\/a>\n<\/div>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/~r\/towleroad\/feed\/~4\/J_3ZZZWX2xQ\" height=\"1\" width=\"1\" alt=\"\"><br \/>\nGlobalPost<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"s0RXGQ3iPP\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.towleroad.com\/2015\/07\/gay-dads\/\">Thailand Isn\u2019t Always the LGBT Paradise it Appears To Be. 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They claim she sabotaged their custody process after realizing they&rsquo;re a <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/chaturbate.com\/in\/?tour=R2Xc&#38;campaign=hl4zp&#38;track=gfcsb\">gay<\/a> <a title=\"\" class=\"aalmanual\" target=\"_blank\"   href=\"https:\/\/www.flirt4free.com\/live\/girls\/couples\/?mp_code=akftr\">couple<\/a>. (@twogaypapas on Twitter Screengrab) By Patrick Winn BANGKOK &mdash; When &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.gayfriendschat.com\/socialblog\/thailand-isnt-always-the-lgbt-paradise-it-appears-to-be-just-ask-these-gay-dads\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Thailand Isn\u2019t Always the LGBT Paradise it Appears To Be. 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