If Shooter Was Gay, What Changes? — Open Thread

If Shooter Was Gay, What Changes? — Open Thread

shooter was gay orlando shooter…and it seems pretty clear that the shooter was gay. The shooter was gay, or was exploring it, or had feelings or some other related sexual identity. His visits to the club, messages on hookup apps, and the comments of friends point us in that direction.

The shooter was gay. So, who are the enemies? Winners? Losers?

So, what do you think of that?
Surprised?
Are we fighting ISIS? Guns? Internalized homophobia?
Is it still terrorism?
Is this “good for the gays”?
Do you see the events in Orlando differently?
Does this change how civil society sees the event? The response?
And who or what is then to blame?

A lot of issues here and how this goes down in the coming weeks…or in history…is far from resolved. What do you think?

Comments below. No personal attacks on other readers, please. Stick to the issues: If he was gay, what’s changed?

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Rainbow Over Pulse, Francois Hollande, Justin Trudeau, Fred Caruso, Orlando Shooter, EgyptAir: NEWS

Rainbow Over Pulse, Francois Hollande, Justin Trudeau, Fred Caruso, Orlando Shooter, EgyptAir: NEWS

PULSE. Rainbows appear over Pulse nightclub.

Where this rainbow starts is where #Pulse is. This is truly amazing! Pulse is directly behind that Salvation truck. pic.twitter.com/M26eFgSRfQ

— Craig Lucie (@CraigLucie) June 14, 2016

NEIL DEGRASSE TYSON. Scientist shares tribute to Orlando in most scientific way possible, explains why rainbows are magical.

DISNEY WORLD. 2 year-old boy attacked by gator found dead.

RIP. Big Gay Musical creator Fred Caruso has died at 41, leaves behind chilling suicide note on Facebook.  

WHAT THE WORLD NEEDS NOW IS LOVE. Broadway stars to record Burt Bacharach song to benefit Orlando victims.

FBI. Orlando shooting being investigated as both a hate crime and an act of terror.

FBI Agent Ronald Hopper on Orlando shooting: “I would call it a hate crime. I would call it terrorism. It’s both.” t.co/02QJKteAlg

— ABC News (@ABC) June 15, 2016

CASTING. Helen Mirren will appear in the next Fast and Furious movie. 

SPACE. Scientists discover gravitational waves for second time: “The researchers calculated that the gravitational wave arose from the collision of two black holes, 14.2 and 7.5 times the mass of the sun.”

ORLANDO. Janet Jackson shares a tribute. 

EGYPTAIR. Wreckage of flight 804 has been discovered. 

CANDID CAMERA. Orlando shooter can be seen in 2012 documentary about BP oil spill.

JUSTIN TRUDEAU. Satyric website creates fake photo of Justin Trudeau locked in a same-sex kiss: “The photoshopped image shows Trudeau kissing NDP leader Tom Mulcair. The story’s headline declares that the two are ‘united against homophobia.’ […] ‘After an event like this, we had to do something,’ it (falsely!) quotes Trudeau as saying in French. ‘I approached Tom to see what he thought, but I didn’t expect him to be so enthusiastic.’”

It is fake, but we still love it. Who doesn’t want to see #Trudeau kiss another man? #LoveIsLove #TwoMenKiss pic.twitter.com/23JKhGCVzT

— Dick Hunter (@SquirtOrg) June 15, 2016

GUNS. Senate Democrats are filibustering until Republicans agree to discuss gun control. Also, Walmart announces it will stop selling AR-15 assault rifles. 

TRUMP. In addition to tell people to “Ask the gays”, Donald Trump on Wednesday said, “The LGBT community, the gay community, the lesbian community—they are so much in favor of what I’ve been saying over the last three or four days.” Um, no.

NATURE. Some coral reefs are thriving, but why?

NYC. Andy Cohen visits the Stonewall vigil for victims of the Orlando shooting.

FRANCE. President Francois Hollande says homosexuality is “a choice” in talking about Orlando massacre: “It is America that has been hit but it is also freedom, the freedom to choose one’s sexual orientation and to determine one’s style of life”

EVERYDAY HOMOPHOBIA. Out gay radio producer Joe Votruba shares his emotional response to the Orlando massacre: “Every single day when you go outside as a gay man, you have to wonder, Oh, how gay can I be around this crowd? Should I hold my boyfriend’s hand right now or should I not? That’s why these bars and these clubs that we go to are so important.”

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NEW MUSIC: I Have A Tribe, Band of Horses, Garbage

NEW MUSIC: I Have A Tribe, Band of Horses, Garbage

I Have A Tribe

This week in New Music: an authentic new voice with Irish singer-songwriter I Have A Tribe, an essay in indie rock domesticity from Band of Horses and a just ok rehash from Garbage.


I Have A Tribe – Beneath A Yellow Moon

Patrick O’Laoghaire – aka I Have A Tribe (above) – has at least two things in common with Damian Rice – born in Dublin, Ireland and (apparently) given a huge amount of freedom and autonomy on recording his debut album Beneath a Yellow Moon.

His singer-songwriter approach is however far removed from Rice’s which has sunk into the abyss of self importance.

O’Laoghaire, while definitely in the singer-songwriter mode, is better compared with the folk-ish work of fellow Irishman Mick Flannery and the always interesting Ray LaMontagne.

At it’s very best, Beneath A Yellow Moon is a highly emotional affair. A gorgeous album, best sampled on the tracks “Scandinavia” and “Buddy Holly.”


Band of Horses – Why Are You OK

Band of Horses - Why Are You OKOn their fifth studio album, Band of Horses and frontman Ben Bridwell are in fine form.

The Seattle-based band are in a way back to basics on Why Are You OK.

Bridwell says that he has been busy with being a father of four and “settling into middle age.”

While John Grant is doing the same disgracefully, Bridwell seems happy with his lot. The standout track is probably “Casual Party” which is straight indie rock concerned with kids and domesticity. “Barrel House” is all about enjoying the evening sun on his porch of all things. “In a Drawer” is so laid back it veers towards – at first – “Boys of Summer” territory. That’s not a criticism. Plus it later stomps towards Eels’ early output.

Why Are You OK is as close to dreamy indie summer pop as you can get, a halfway point between Low and the aforementioned Eels.


Garbage – Strange Little Birds

Garbage - Strange Little BirdsI would love to be able to report that Strange Little Birds by Garbage is a return to their debut album’s glory days but I’d be lying.

The debut self-titled album was a cobbled-together mix of pop, punk and indie that somehow worked. Strange Little Birds was promised by singer Shirley Manson as a follow up of sorts but everyone knows that’s a problem. (1) You can’t recapture the glory days (2) Why would you want to unless you’re desperate?

Opener “Sometimes,” much like the band it seems, really doesn’t know what it wants to be. Second track “Empty” opens with that driving 90s indie rock sound fans will be accustomed to but somehow it fails to deliver. “Magnetized” does the same. As do “We Never Tell” and “So We Can Stay Alive.”

The album is at its best on three tracks that come in the middle: “If I Lost You,” “Night Drive Loneliness” and “Even Though Our Love Is Doomed.” These are dreamy, late-night electro pop numbers that could have come straight from 1995 but they lack any killer hook to grab on to.

And therein lies the problem. It’s not all bad – actually none of it is bad, it’s just fine.

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Noah Galvin’s Rant At Colton Haynes Caused A Hurricane Behind The Scenes Of ‘The Real O’Neals’

Noah Galvin’s Rant At Colton Haynes Caused A Hurricane Behind The Scenes Of ‘The Real O’Neals’

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“Can a press interview gone bad kill a television show?”

That’s the question The Hollywood Reporter is asking after the young star of one of ABC’s low-rated series, The Real O’Neals, took both gloves off, slid on some metaphoric brass knuckles and jabbed like crazy at Colton Haynes, Bryan Singer, Eric Stonestreet and, well, a vast slice of Hollywood, L.A., and gays everywhere.

If you missed it, it was really quite something.

Related: ‘Real O’Neals’ Star Noah Galvin: Colton Haynes’ Coming Out Was “P*ssy Bullsh*t”

Inside sources are saying ABC was caught completely off-guard by the interview — not surprising, as we can’t imagine it’d be the sort of thing they’d give the OK to ahead of time.

But the damage to the show’s fate may be more severe than a simple slap on the wrist. The outburst may wind up being the beginning of the end for the show, which is based in part on Dan Savage’s childhood.

Sure, Galvin was quick to issue an apology, but here’s a newsflash: Hollywood doesn’t exactly love having its dirty laundry aired out by the people it pays hefty sums of money to and makes famous. Imagine that.

We can easily imagine the egos of more than a few executives getting bruised, and the potential of future damage has fairly high stakes with the amounts of money involved in producing a TV show.

Related: Colton Haynes Publicly Responds To Being Called “The Worst” By Noah Galvin

A source tells The Hollywood Reporter that one of the show’s executive producers who has spent four years working to get the program on the air was “begging the network not to take action.”

What’s more, insiders say Galvin’s behavior isn’t anything new, and that he’s been warned on more than a few occasions to reign in his “ego and entitlement.”

Following an “abusive” waiting period (Galvin’s choice of word), ABC announced on May 12 that the show is returning for a second season, but it looks like there’s a new diva in town.

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Orlando Survivor Shares Moving Poem: “The Guilt Of Being Alive Is Heavy”

Orlando Survivor Shares Moving Poem: “The Guilt Of Being Alive Is Heavy”

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It’s been a difficult couple of days for everyone, but nobody’s suffering can compare to what the survivors and the families of the victims are going through.

They’re coping with the aftermath in a variety of ways, including a moving poem written by Patience Carter, who was able to escape the nightclub with her life. She read the poem about her survivor’s guilt at an event this week. “It shows everything that I’m feeling right now,” she said, “and it’s a part of my healing process.”

Patience was on vacation in Orlando from her home in Philadelphia, and was in a wheelchair when she spoke to reporters. On the night of the shooting, she had actually made it outside of the nightclub when she realized that a friend was still inside. They rushed back to save her, then took shelter until police could rescue them. While they were hiding in a bathroom, the gunman shot both her legs.

This is probably one of the most productive ways to process all the emotion around this event — much better than what politicians are doing, using the shooting as an event to promote whatever ideology they think voters want to hear. If you’re feeling tempted to get into an argument about policy, or to shout at people on social media, maybe take a step back and look at how Patience is expressing how she feels.

Watch below, or scroll down if you’d like to read it:

The powerful and emotional poem written and read by #Orlando shooting survivor, 20-year-old Patience Carter t.co/IoDpZat1jv

— Joshua Chavers (@JoshuaChavers) June 14, 2016

Here’s what she wrote:

The guilt of feeling grateful to be alive is heavy.

Wanting to smile about surviving but not sure if the people around you are ready.

As the world mourns, the victims killed and viciously slain, I feel guilty about screaming about my legs in pain.

Because I could feel nothing like the other 49 who weren’t so lucky to feel this pain of mine.

I never thought in a million years that this could happen.

I never thought in a million years that my eyes could witness something so tragic.

Looking at the souls leaving the bodies of individuals, looking at the killer’s machine gun through out my right peripheral.

Looking at the blood and debris covered on everyone’s faces. Looking at the gunman’s feet under the stall as he paces.

The guilt of feeling lucky to be alive is heavy.

It’s like the weight of the ocean’s walls crushing uncontrolled by levies.

It’s like being drug through the grass with a shattered leg and thrown on the back of a Chevy.

It’s like being rushed to the hospital and told you’re gonna make it when you laid beside individuals whose lives were brutally taken.

The guilt of being alive is heavy.

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Donald Trump Incites Twitter Takedown with ‘Ask the Gays’ Remark – VIDEO

Donald Trump Incites Twitter Takedown with ‘Ask the Gays’ Remark – VIDEO

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At a rally on Wednesday, Donald Trump again insisted that he is more pro-LGBT than Hillary Clinton.

While talking about what life for ‘gays’ is like in Saudi Arabia, Trump said, “Ask the gays what they think and what they do, in, not only Saudi Arabia, but many of these countries, and then you tell me – who’s your friend Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton?”

Trump on Saudi Arabia, the Clintons, women and “the gayst.co/8OzX9IJbNg

— Bradd Jaffy (@BraddJaffy) June 15, 2016

“Ask the gays” – Trump

— Katy Tur (@KatyTurNBC) June 15, 2016

Shortly after uttering “ask the gays”, Twitter erupted in a hilarious takedown of Trump for a second time in just two days.

As of this post, “The Gays” has begun to trend on Twitter with 49,000 tweets.

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Check out some of the best responses (with some work-unfriendly language), below.

Trump: “Ask the gays.”

The gays: pic.twitter.com/syNYMRD5oC

— Emerson Collins (@ActuallyEmerson) June 15, 2016

TRUMP: “Ask the gays!”

THE GAYS: pic.twitter.com/Fys8g1FYTi

— Robert Kessler (@robertkessler) June 15, 2016

Trump: “ASK THE GAYS”

The Gays: pic.twitter.com/oirfqzDQnI

— Ethan (@ethanharv) June 15, 2016

TRUMP: “Ask the gays!”

THE GAYS: pic.twitter.com/4FNzac3Z6h

— Slade Sohmer (@Slade) June 15, 2016

TRUMP: “Ask the gays!”

THE GAYS: pic.twitter.com/OZWoNIS8Gg

— Ryan McPhee (@rdmcphee) June 15, 2016

TRUMP: Ask the gays!

THE GAYS: pic.twitter.com/XhXTT7OkUc

— benji (@benarmishaw) June 15, 2016

Trump: “Ask the gays.”

The gays: pic.twitter.com/97pJCbN2XQ

— Almost Dr Dan (@almostdoctordan) June 15, 2016

Trump: ASK THE GAYS

The Gays: pic.twitter.com/njxYChWCVt

— Phillip Van De Kamp (@MajorPhilebrity) June 15, 2016

Trump: “Ask the gays!”

Gays: pic.twitter.com/TZvgcVTdEI

— Justin Kirkland (@justinkirkland4) June 15, 2016

TRUMP: “Ask the gays!”

GAYS: pic.twitter.com/KalFI1vNps

— Ryan (@ryedth) June 15, 2016

Trump: “Ask the gays!”

Gays: pic.twitter.com/VpeaNT3fF6

— Alp Ozcelik (@alplicable) June 15, 2016

TRUMP: “Ask the gays!”

THE GAYS: pic.twitter.com/TKmDtWpxvq

— Carlos Maza (@gaywonk) June 15, 2016

TRUMP: Ask the gays!

THE GAYS: pic.twitter.com/CNvRZ1Rm3P

— Carlos Maza (@gaywonk) June 15, 2016

TRUMP: “Ask the gays!”

THE GAYS: pic.twitter.com/LaukQJeQ5i

— Joseph J. Sanchez (@JJS_III) June 15, 2016

Stop wearing “Oompah Loompah Orange” foundation. #AskTheGays

— Terry Miller (@fakedanshusband) June 15, 2016

Trump: “Ask the gays!”

Gays: pic.twitter.com/nHQl8znH9k

— Frank Costa (@feistyfrank) June 15, 2016

Trump: “Ask the gays!”

Gays: pic.twitter.com/sya3Omy9mj

— Chris Feil (@chrisvfeil) June 15, 2016

Trump: “Ask the gays!”

Gays: pic.twitter.com/zHXn5Cu2ng

— Alp Ozcelik (@alplicable) June 15, 2016

@alplicable Trump: “Ask the gays!”

Gays: pic.twitter.com/fbdslKxWPz

— (((HowWeGotAnts))) (@HowWeGotAnts) June 15, 2016

TRUMP: “Ask the gays!”

THE GAYS: pic.twitter.com/byOFy82fYo

— Kevin O’Keeffe (@kevinpokeeffe) June 15, 2016

TRUMP: “Ask the gays!”

THE GAYS: t.co/lgYFuwenEg

— T. Kyle (@tkylemac) June 15, 2016

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After Shooting At A Gay Club, LGBT Sports Fans Create A Safe Space In Unlikely Places

After Shooting At A Gay Club, LGBT Sports Fans Create A Safe Space In Unlikely Places

The Nationals provided the LGBT community much-needed respite — both from the trauma of Orlando and the bigotry we so often contend with everywhere else.

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Religious Leaders Respond to Orlando, Embracing LGBTQ Community During Difficult Time

Religious Leaders Respond to Orlando, Embracing LGBTQ Community During Difficult Time

Post submitted by HRC staff with contributions from Katherine Burns

In the wake of the Orlando shooting, religious leaders have stood united against hate and in support of the LGBTQ community.

Prominent Christian religious leaders have preached compassion and understanding. The Rev.  Al Sharpton wrote in a Huffington Post blog post that he has been “disappointed by people who otherwise consider themselves ministers, activists or social justice seekers express such homophobic views.” He denounced hatred and bigotry and advocated for faith leaders to espouse more love in the wake of such tragedy.

The Presbyterian Church of the USA released a powerful statement supporting their LGBTQ members: “Facing this evil, we reaffirm the commitment of our own General Assembly to oppose all efforts to demean or exclude those in our society and our churches whose sexual orientation has made them targets of abuse and hatred.”

The Alliance of Baptists tweeted their love and support for those affected by the Orlando shooting:

prayers with the people #OrlandoShooting #YouAreBeloved #Pulse t.co/jZL0u4E7ag pic.twitter.com/zxzq8LOa4X

— Alliance of Baptists (@alliancebaptist) June 15, 2016

Leaders in the Catholic Church have also expressed their deepest condolences to the victims’ families and advocated for love. According to a statement from the Vatican, the massacre in Orlando evoked the “deepest feelings of horror and condemnation” in Pope Francis. Archbishop Blase Cupich of Chicago, released a statement of love: “Our prayers and hearts are with the victims of the mass shooting in Orlando, their families and our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters.”

The Union for Reform Judaism extended their compassion for the families of the victims, and many Rabbis across the country have released statements in support of the LGBTQ community. Rabbis Jeremy Cronig and Kathryn Fleisher, of the North American Federation of Temple Youth reaffirmed their “commitment to battling homophobia and hatred in this nation.”

The Dalai Lama led a silent prayer for the Orlando victims and urged people to work towards a more peaceful and compassionate world.

Over 200 Muslim leaders, clerics and scholars have extended their love and support, including such organizations as Muslim Alliance for Sexual and Gender Diversity, and Muslim Advocates, and many more.

Following tragic life events, communities of faith serve as an important support mechanism and as an outlet to express grief. HRC applauds these leaders, sects and congregations for promoting love and support for their LGBTQ and allied members during this difficult time.

To learn more about your faith and the LGBTQ community visit www.hrc.org/resources/faith-positions.

People look to their faith as a source of guidance and inspiration – and LGBTQ people and our family and friends are no different. The HRC Religion and Faith Program is working to create a world where nobody is forced to choose between who they are, whom they love and what they believe. Learn more here.

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