Tangerine Director Sean Baker May Be A Straight White Man, But He’s Made A Terrific Movie About Transgender Women Of Color

Tangerine Director Sean Baker May Be A Straight White Man, But He’s Made A Terrific Movie About Transgender Women Of Color

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Mya Taylor and Kitana Kiki Rodriguez

If you’re exhausted with the endless onslaught of Marvel comic book adaptations and disappointing male stripper comedies proliferating your local cinemas, Sean Baker’s Tangerine, a shaggy, often-frenetic dramedy about a pair of transgender sex workers, Alexandra and Sin-Dee (impressive newcomers Mya Taylor and Kitana Kiki Rodriguez, both trans in real life), having a rough day on the mean streets of Hollywood, is here to offer a welcome respite. Baker might not be a household name — yet — but the talented 44-year-old filmmaker has developed serious cachet within the industry thanks to the acclaim that greeted his last two movies, Starlet and Prince of Broadway, both made for a budgets comparable to what the average person spends on petrol each year. Tangerine (in select theaters this Friday and expanding throughout the summer) should launch Baker into the bigger leagues. Already one of the most buzzed-about movies at Sundance last winter, the comedy-drama has been widely-written about for having been shot with an iPhone 5 (though you wouldn’t know it), which gives the film a startling immediacy, but it’s just as notable for the unshowy performances of its leading ladies, as well as for chronicling a rarely-seen subculture. Queerty spoke with Baker about how he gained trust of transgender newcomers, the clandestine shooting of the movie in Hollywood and the universal appeal of the film’s story.

Queerty: As a straight Caucasian man, how did you come to tell a story about transgender women of color?

Sean Baker: I live about half a mile from the corner of Santa Monica and Highland [the neighborhood where the film takes place]. I was just drawn to it. I can’t explain exactly why, other than from a filmmaker’s point of view I knew there would be some interesting stories there and I could tell a cinematic story. We went in there not knowing anything. We usually do extensive research. Chris Bergoch, who wrote the screenplay, and I just started pounding the pavement and introducing ourselves to people and telling them what we planned on doing.

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Sean Baker

It seems like a tight-knit group who hang out in that area. How did they initially react to you guys?

At first there was apprehension. They might have thought we were cops or johns or who knows what? We weren’t finding that one person who could be a collaborator. We learned from Prince of Broadway, which is a film I made before Starlet, that being from outside that world you need to find that one person to be your passport. In this case we found Mya at the LGBT Center. She was hanging out in the courtyard with some friends. We saw her from across the courtyard. There was just something electrifying about her. She was the one of all her friends who just stood out and was drawing me in. I decided we couldn’t leave until we introduced ourselves. We walked over and it was one of those moments when I knew it was perfect timing. Who knows whether she’d have been there the next day? The next thing you know Mya was showing the enthusiasm I was looking for and we exchanged contact information. The next thing we knew we were hanging out at the local Jack in the Box and we heard all of her stories and anecdotes.

How long did you meet before you found the story for the film?

It was once or twice a week over the course of a couple of months. She’d bring people into the Jack in the Box to introduce to us. One day she brought in Kiki and as soon as she sat down next to Mya, I thought, Here we go! Dynamic duo. They contrast each other and they complement each other. Visually, they were perfect, and then Kiki opened her mouth and she was hilarious. We went down that road of developing something together. It was Kiki who brought the “woman scorned” plot to the table. She said that one time this happened. She filled us in and we thought that was the perfect “A plot” for this film.

TangerineHow did you earn their trust and let them know you weren’t trying to exploit them?

The first gaining of their trust was to show them you’re a legitimate filmmaker, so that was as easy as handing them DVDs. Mya connected over Starlet and Kiki connected over Prince of Broadway. I knew I’d won them over with the films. Then, yes, there was the trust issue. I was very open with them from the beginning. We had no idea then that the trans movement would become as much of the zeitgeist as it has. At the time I was still very conscientious that this is a sensitive issue and I’m a cisgender white male so there might be some apprehension or resistance to someone like me trying to tell a story like this. I told Mya that I would only do it with her and Kiki’s approval every step of the way. I wanted them to be happy with this film and with the representation of this subculture. By that I mean, trans women of color who are sex workers. So she said to me early on that she trusted me and wanted to make the film with me.

Did she have any caveats about how the characters would be portrayed?

She asked me to promise two things: It had to be extremely realistic and show the brutal reality of what these women have to deal with, the hardships, everything that comes with being a trans woman of color sex worker. She told me she wanted the movie to be laugh-out-loud funny. She said, “When you’re on the corner there’s humor out there and I want the movie to be entertaining.” I looked at her and thought, That’s a tall order. That’s a balancing act. It was already risky making this movie, but leaning toward comedy was really risky. Then I thought, Of course she’s right. Any other way would be condescending. If we started making an overtly heavy-handed, plight of-type movie, it would be treating these women as subjects to be studied rather than connecting to them as human beings. 

TangerineThe girls have a great rapport and play off each other really well.

While doing the research with them at Jack in the Box everyday I realized it was like watching stand-up comics. They’re extremely witty and were always finishing each other’s sentences, setting up each other’s jokes and delivering punchlines. I realized these women are dealing with such hardships that they use humor to deal with it.

I think it’s admirable that your film doesn’t portray sex workers of color as victims.

We decided that one of the themes of this movie would be friendship. I wanted audiences to connect with these women the way I did. It was important to be aware of the discrimination and violence and the dangers these women face on a daily basis. At the same time, that wasn’t the story we were telling. We wanted to bring these two characters together and show how friendship overcomes everything and how they have to support each other because society has shunned and alienated them. That’s the story we wanted to tell.

Has that been an issue with audiences so far?

At a screening someone stood up and asked if it was appropriate not to show a scene of violence against these women, given the fact that there are so many incidents these days. That’s true. Even though right now the transgender movement is so much in the zeitgeist and people are so much more aware, violence has risen 13 percent in the last year. That’s not the story we’re telling. We’re telling a story about friendship and we had to pick and choose about what we would put in this film. This is just one film. Hopefully, there will be many more films that focus on trans characters.

TangerineHow realistic is the film?

We didn’t fabricate anything, except for maybe Mya’s performance in Hamburger Mary’s [her character Victor Herbert’s “Toyland” to a nearly empty bar] and having to pay to play. That came to me from being a filmmaker and going to film festivals and having to put my film on the screen. I think all artists can connect with that. Every vignette and subplot in the movie — from the way the cops interfere with the girls to the hate crime at the end — is based on stories that we heard from Mya and the other girls.

I’m intrigued by Rasmik, the married Armenian cab driver on the down low and obsessed with Sin-Dee. Did you meet with guys like him?

I’d heard stories about how cab drivers solicit services from girls. Rasmik really came out of the fact that I wanted to work with Karren Karagulian again and there just happens to be a large Armenian community in Los Angeles so it just worked out. When I approached Karren I told him that I was making a film about two transgender sex workers in L.A. and asked, “How am I going to work you into it?” He said, “I’ll be a cab driver!”  It’s funny that in all the press I’ve done that Armenian subplot is never brought up. I think it’s important because it’s really the other parallel story of infidelity being told. I was so incredibly lucky to have such a star-studded Armenian cast. Alla Tumanian, Arsen Grigoryan and Luiza Nersisyan… they’re all big stars over there. Arsen is the Sophia Loren of Armenia. It was an incredible honor to work with them.

Your film is very objective. You don’t judge the characters despite the awful things they sometimes do. Do you personally find them relatable?

I try to find something to relate to in every character. That’s something Chris and I said we wanted to do. We took it from the way De Sica [the Italian neorealist director] would hold longer on certain scenes. That’s why we held the camera on the characters a beat longer to show that everyone is going through it and has a history. The only people we didn’t give a second to were the guys who commit the hate crime at the end. We did that on purpose because they don’t deserve more screen time.

Shooting with the iPhone must have made filming inconspicuous. I wondered if some of the background actors even knew they were in a movie.

It was very inconspicuous. We learned how to do this with the previous films. As soon as you yell “cut!” we’d chase everyone down to have them sign a release. Everyone who is recognizable on camera signed a release. You shoot clandestinely, then you quickly try to save the day. In the U.S. it’s a legal thing. In this case, yeah, we had a very small footprint. If you saw us from across the street, you’d never know we were shooting a film. The only giveaway was our sound gear, because we had a boom on a sound pole. Otherwise, you’d never notice.

What do you see as the universality of this story?

It’s one of those themes that everyone in the world can identify with these themes of friendship and jealousy that’s the result of infidelity. Those are the universal themes we wanted to tackle. I’ve been so involved with this world from day one two-and-a-half years ago that I realized just recently that the first scene for some people isn’t a shocker but they’re trying to get a handle on what’s going on. It’s two transgender girls talking about a cheating pimp. It’s a lot to wrap your head around. So my hope is that after the first 10 minutes people will see the appealing personas of my two leads and just get invested in the film and fall in love with the character the way I did.

Watch Tangerine‘s trailer below.

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Universities Are Trying To Teach Faculty How To Spot Microaggressions

Universities Are Trying To Teach Faculty How To Spot Microaggressions

Earlier this year, University of California President Janet Napolitano invited deans and department heads to a seminar on inclusivity on campus. A large theme was how the university could better address microaggressions, the subtle comments, “slights” or “snubs” that signal bias against someone’s race, background or identity.

To better explain it, UC published a list of examples of microaggressions, and when commentators discovered it in June, they erupted in disapproval at the examples.

One UCLA professor wrote op-eds calling it “UC’s PC police.” A Los Angeles Times staff editorial criticized it as going too far. Bloomberg View columnists picked it apart as well.

UC officials declined to make anyone available for an interview, but insisted no one in the university system is “prohibited from making statements such as ‘America is a melting pot,’ ‘America is the land of opportunity,’ or any other such statement,” phrases listed among the microaggression examples.

Yet for all the criticism, the University of California didn’t come up with the list — a Columbia University researcher named Derald W. Sue did in 2007, along with several colleagues. And versions of it have been used in college diversity trainings nationwide for at least the past few years.

“I’m not sure they are advocating for banning speech,” Sue told The Huffington Post on Tuesday about the institutions that have adopted the table. “I think it’s much more educational. In other words, what are microaggressions? How do they harm individuals of color or marginalized groups? And what can we do to avoid creating misunderstandings?”

The University of Missouri used an almost identical list at a 2012 summit on diversity, part of a biannual effort by the school to improve the campus climate. A version was handed out at a professional development program at Texas A&M University by a guest speaker. A PowerPoint presentation during a student affairs symposium in 2012 at the University of Arizona laid out several examples of microaggressions as well, some from Sue and John Jay College researcher David Nadal, and a few from students on their own campus. The University of Richmond and Virginia Commonwealth University co-organized a workshop in January 2014 to recognize and diffuse microaggressions in the classroom.

A key component of microaggressions, Sue said, is that they frequently are uttered without any malice on the speaker’s part.

“When I’m complimented for speaking good English — and this happens to me frequently — the person complimenting me, they are not a mean, evil person,” Sue elaborated. “They mean to compliment me but they don’t see what message it sends — that I am a perpetual alien in my own country, I am not a true American. When you try to tell them you feel insulted, they get defensive and they don’t understand it. They begin to perceive I am oversensitive. This is the power of microaggressions.”

Sue’s example appears to be reflected by reactions outside of academia to campus educational efforts.

[RELATED: What You Should Know About The Lives Of Black Students On Campus]

Shortly after the University of California version made the rounds online, it was discovered that a similar copy was shared at the University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point. Similar criticism ensued from Bloomberg View, but UW-Stevens Point Provost Greg Summers noted to HuffPost it was merely a page ripped out of Sue’s 2007 article, and said they’ve used it in new faculty and staff seminars for a few years.

“Few people have seemed to notice that it’s not our material,” Summers said, noting there’s been academic literature on microaggressions “for at least the past decade, so it’s not surprising that other universities are discussing similar lists.”

“The term ‘microaggression’ is really professional jargon that has arisen from research on the subject, and it obviously doesn’t translate well to a popular audience,” he added.

The reason schools are doing this, according to University of Illinois urban planning professor Stacy Anne Harwood, is because students are demanding it. Students in recent years have engaged in activism around campus climate issues tied to race and treatment of minorities.

From Dartmouth College, Colgate University and the University of Virginia, to the University of Notre Dame, the University of Michigan and UCLA, student activists have demonstrated on campus about microaggressions and inclusivity.

Students at the University of Illinois staged the Being Black at Illinois campaign in March 2014, and later met with school officials to explain their grievances on campus. A year later, in May, a group of faculty and students produced a report after surveying 4,800 students of color at the Urbana campus, showing that over half had experienced stereotyping in the classroom. The report went on to detail places minority students felt uncomfortable, examples of microaggressions they faced and recommendations for how the university could improve.

 

The top recommendation from the report was that the administration should train faculty and staff about microaggressions and provide them with “tools to address racial microaggressions, such as how to facilitate dialogue in the classroom.” Beyond that, it recommended creating an education requirement that students take a class about race, white privilege and inequality in the United States.

[RELATED: What It’s Like To Be A Muslim College Student Today]

“The reaction is more like, ‘Oh, we have to be [politically correct] and ‘thought police,’ without thinking about well, if your words are harming people and limiting access and contributing to students dropping out and not succeeding,” Harwood said. “There is this disconnect.”

Harwood doesn’t think new rules banning certain phrases or disciplining people at school for committing microaggressions would be helpful. Instead, she and her colleague Ruby Mendenhall, a sociology professor, hope reports like theirs can get people to simply think more critically about what they say to one another.

“Since the civil rights era, all of us have been socialized in some way to believe we’re in this post-racial society, that it’s colorblind, that race does not play a role in the U.S.,” explained Mendenhall, “and I think that’s some of what’s behind the backlash. We aren’t really taught or feel comfortable talking about about race relations.”

Harwood knows people may write off microaggressions as “just a few words,” and insist “it’s not a big deal.

“Yeah, but have you heard that 20 times this week?” she asks rhetorically. “I’m sure everyone can relate in some way, maybe because of your weight, your religion, your sexuality.”

[RELATED: Colleges Campuses Are Full Of Subtle Racism And Sexism, Study Says]

Sue doesn’t want to ban microaggressions either — though favors banning overt racial slurs — because the people committing them don’t realize they’re doing it. He’d rather get more people to recognize what they are.

“It’s not a political issue,” Sue said, “It’s an educational issue here.”

“If we are to have a society that really allows for equal opportunities,” he continued, “we have to begin talking with one another.”

 

Tyler Kingkade is based in New York and covers higher education for The Huffington Post. You can reach him at [email protected] or on Twitter: @tylerkingkade.

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David Geffen Drawn Into The $1.5 Million Sean Cody Star Extortion Case

David Geffen Drawn Into The $1.5 Million Sean Cody Star Extortion Case

david_geffen_getty-300x300The $1.5 million extortion case between Sean Cody stud Teofil Brank (a.k.a. Jarec Wentworth) and gay Republican millionaire Donald Burns just got a whole lot juicer. And way more expensive.

According to recently released documents obtained by none other than Str8UpGayPorn, during Brank’s FBI investigation earlier this year, one of his colleagues, gay adult film actor Justin Griggs, told detectives about his own clandestine relationship with another high profile businessman.

Related: Sean Cody Performer Arrested For Extortion Outs John, Makes Wild Accusations From Prison

It’s unclear how the subject even came up, but during cross examination, Griggs testified that he had recently undergone “dental work,” which he claimed was paid for by a “friend.”

“You mentioned you didn’t want to give details about an individual because he was very powerful and you feared for your safety if you disclose information,” attorneys asked. “Who were you talking about there?”

Griggs hesitated, then replied: “David Geffen.”

That’s right. David Geffen. The 72-year-old, $6.9 billion music mogul and philanthropist with great taste in gentlemen.

According to documents, the billionaire’s only involvement in the case (so far) is that he possibly bankrolled Brank’s friend Griggs’ alleged “dental work.” And at this point it is just Griggs’ word. There’s no collaborating evidence. And, frankly, we don’t trust him as far as we could throw him.

But, honestly, this trial is getting so bat-shit-Lifetime-movie-of-the-week crazy that who knows what will be revealed next.

We’re waiting for the other shoe to drop. And we’ll be sure to keep you posted.

Related: David Geffen’s 21-Year-Old Ex-Boy Toy Admits To Stalking The Billionaire

h/t: Gawker

Graham Gremore

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Northern Ireland Poll Shows Overwhelming Support for Same-Sex Marriage In Wake of Neighboring Irish Referendum Vote

Northern Ireland Poll Shows Overwhelming Support for Same-Sex Marriage In Wake of Neighboring Irish Referendum Vote

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A new Ipsos MORI poll indicates that opinions favoring gay marriage in Northern Ireland have increased since Ireland passed its marriage referendum in May, and that more people in Northern Ireland believe same-sex couples be allowed to marry compared with their southern neighbors reports The Belfast Telegraph.

The survey says 68 percent of Northern Ireland adults believe same-sex couples deserve the right to marry, with the figures rising to 82 percent among 16 to 34-year-olds and 75 percent among 35 to 54-year-olds. However, figures fell to 47 percent of adults over the age of 55. The MORI survey gathered data from a representative sample of 1,000 adults ages 16 and up across Northern Ireland; subjects were interviewed face-to-face between May 20 and June 8 with data weighted to match the populations profile.

The survey indicates a huge shift in attitude compared with last year’s Belfast Telegraph/Lucid Talk poll that found only 50.5 percent of those polled supporting gay marriage while 49.5 percent opposed it. Same-sex marriage is still illegal in Northern Ireland however, Northern Ireland couples Grainne Close and Shannon Sickles, and Chris and Henry Flanagan-Kane are filing a high court challenge that could ultimately bring gay marriage to the country.

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Brent Duke: Party Time

so i know i have been absent for quiet a long time. to be honest i have been away traveling ireland, something i have not done in quiet a while, with all my trips abroad, i though it was time to stay closer to home, and decided that a trip to titanic belfast was in order, as some of you know i have a keen interest in titanic, and to visit the mecca of where she was built was a trip of a lifetime, and now its marked off my bucket list, to stand where she stood is for me a once in a lifetime moment, now i just gota mark the next item off my bucket list which is to visit the wreck site, the final resting place of the great ship, i have now been to where she was built, where she started her maiden voyage, in southampton, her last port of call, which is cobh, which is 20 minute drive from where i live. so to go to the final resting place would fufill my life and all my dreams come through,, now all i gota do is win the lottery to pay for it hahaunless i meet a rich man to take me there 🙂 any way im blogging today to tell you all, that starting tonight and i mean it this time, i wil be logging online for 3 hourse two to three nights a week, and if your lucky enough i might and i do mean might logg on for four nights in some weeks, it is now 5.15pm irish time here and i will be logging on at 11pm irish time, which is about 5pm est i think,, so please do logg on say hi, and stay for a show,until then,love huggs kissesbrent dukeireland

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New Zealander Sophie Sills on Being Queer & Playing Women's Sport

New Zealander Sophie Sills on Being Queer & Playing Women's Sport
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Sophie Sills is a 22 year-old student from Auckland, New Zealand. Queer, and a long-time footballer, as part of her Master of Arts in Psychology Sophie is conducting a study on if and how being LGBTQ affects players’ experiences of playing women’s sport. I interviewed her for Impolitikal.com.

What led to your interest in queer experiences in sport?
I’ve always been interested in queer issues, and I was thinking about what I could do for my Masters, chatting with people. They were like, you’re really into sports, why don’t you do something about that? That resonated with me, because I get a little bit of homophobia – not a lot but a little bit – in my own sports stuff. Out of all the ideas that I had, that was the one that seemed to be interesting and important.

Do you play football in all-girl teams or are they mixed?
Yeah, all-women’s. It was mixed until I was 15 or so, because my club didn’t really have enough women, but now it’s split up, so all women.

When did you come out?
My coming out was long. It was probably from when I was about 19. It’s still ongoing, but I didn’t really ever officially come out to my teammates, some of them just knew. Because they were friends with me or whatever, so they knew.

Because others aren’t aware you’re gay, do you think it affects how they are around you?
I think so, although I think they aren’t as unaware as I’m making them out to be. I think it’s just a youth thing – it’s the language that they use, saying gay [in a derogatory way] or fag. I don’t think they’re really against it or anything, I think it’s just their socialization.

How does it make you feel when you hear people talk like that, even if they’re not consciously trying to slag you?
I think I’m such a political person, it annoys me on a political level as well as a personal level. But as my friend says, it’s hard for us, as queers, to call them out all the time, because then they just think that we’re offended because our feelings are hurt because we’re queer, but actually it’s a bigger thing. You get used to it I guess, and it doesn’t really affect you that much. You’re just sort of like, oh ok I don’t really want to hang out with you and I am annoyed at your politics.

If I have to explain it to you…
Yeah, exactly!

Have you or people you know been actively bullied or discriminated against in a sporting context?
To say it’s active is difficult. Because no one’s ever really like, oh you’re a lesbian, you can’t play with us. No one’s like that, because no one really would say that to your face. But they might be thinking it, and sometimes it comes across a little bit that they’re thinking it. So I don’t know if there’s been anything active, I think it’s more that sometimes things happen, and you can’t really tell if people are being homophobic. For example, you’ve told someone you have a girlfriend, right? You just drop it in the conversation, oh I’m doing this with my girlfriend. And then when they ask you about your day, how that went, they say ‘your mate’, or your friend instead of your girlfriend. Rather than the direct, you’re a lesbian, you can’t sit with us or whatever. That sort of invalidating thing, almost.

Do you feel pressured to spell it out for people? How old are you now?
22.

So it’s been two or three years that you’ve been going through coming out?
Yeah. In places like soccer – we were always quite a young team, so we never really talked about boys or girls, because we were just there to play. That was the environment, we were there to impress our coach and get on the top team or whatever. Now I’ve come through that long coming out I don’t really feel the need to prove myself. Sometimes people assume that you’re straight, and then you just correct them a little bit. But otherwise I just go about my day.

Quite recently there’s been a lot happening around, I guess normalizing homosexuality really, with same-sex marriage being legalized in Ireland and the US for example. Do you think that’s changed how people are around you?
I’m not sure. It’s hard for me to tell because I’m so young, you know? My experience of change has been, coming from being 12 years-old, when everyone’s sort of weird about it. The only bullying I ever had was when I was 12, and we weren’t even sexual beings. But it feels like it’s changing society in the sense that it’s in the news a lot, so like you say it’s more normalized. Not even for gay people to be accepted, but to hear about things that are relevant to us on the news. I think people are just like, oh ok, that’s a thing that exists and then they just carry on with their lives.

I guess that’s almost the worst part. The fact that a lot of stuff that’s still been in place, that has stopped gay people from living their lives as anyone else, has remained because change hasn’t been a priority for people who are straight. That actually really just sucks. Because it’s had really devastating consequences for a lot of people.

So around 12 is when you started to become aware of being attracted to girls, and that’s when you started dealing with bullying?
I think so. I started to become aware of it almost because other kids would call me a lesbian all the time. I didn’t want that, because it was associated with them bullying me, or teasing me for wearing tomboy clothes and stuff like that. I think 12 is the age where it started to become less acceptable to be a tomboy, and so that’s when I started to have to think about it. But I didn’t really think about it properly until I was a bit older.

Do you have older friends that you’re able to talk to about your experience now?
As in, older friends that are gay?

Yeah, who have been going through this stuff at a different time to you – culturally and socially.
I don’t really have many older friends that are gay, but one of the things that springs to mind is – with my older teammates, when I was sending around the information for my study and I used words like queer and cisgender. They were like, what are those? I don’t understand those. They wanted to know. I think interest is expanding and people are less like, oh, that’s yuck.

What do you hope to highlight with your dissertation, or find out?
I’m hoping to make LGBT experiences in sport more well known, more understood. I’m working with an LGBT charity as well. They’ve given me some money and asked me to put the research towards making some information for sports clubs, a little pamphlet type of thing, so they’ve got a resource that basically outlines what it’s like to be queer in sport. What sorts of things can come across as homophobia, and just sort of open up the conversation I guess, in places where it might not be brought up by queer people, or it might not be something that the team talks about. Just to even bring that up I think is a step.

Have you included men in the study?
Sort of. I’ve tried to make it trans-inclusive, so they have to have played a sport that’s typically designated for women, but their gender identity doesn’t matter. At this point only women have responded, but it’s open to guys as long as they’ve had an experience playing in women’s sport.

Do you have male or trans friends who have had bullying experiences in a male-dominated sport?
When we were younger all the boys played soccer, and soccer for men has a stigma of being – in New Zealand anyway – the soft sport compared to rugby. So they all sort of had their sexuality accused basically, when they were quite young, and turned to rugby to be more manly, straight men. I think lots of them would get told that they were playing the gay sport, and they were going to turn out like girls. Or, you know, that they should pick up a ‘real’ sport like rugby.

By adults, or by their teammates?
Mostly by teammates, but when you’re quite young – I’m thinking 10 or 11 type of thing – kids just start to worry about their public image. It’s not directly from adults but I think it’s that idea in society that football is a soft sport, and the men fall down easily and rugby is the man’s game. That’s part of New Zealand culture in a way. So it came from adults too, but not directly.

Have any of your participants brought up a cultural, or ethnic or racial element?
I haven’t had anyone that’s not white come through so far, so that’s a little bit tricky. But in the literature it’s talked about how it’s very different if you’re black for example, because you have this stigma of being animalistic, of being biologically better at sport. On the one hand you’re a woman and you’re not supposed to be as good as men at sport, on the other you’re black and so you’re supposed to be really, really good at sport. That comes through in Serena Williams, for example. When you’re really good at sport as a black woman you get called an ape, or unattractive. My participants haven’t come to me with that, but I think it’s definitely a part of it.

What are your thoughts on Caitlyn Jenner’s transformation?
That’s quite a contested issue. There are some activists in our queer community here that are sort of like, it’s all good for Caitlyn but she’s rich, and she’s white. But no, I think it’s a very, very brave thing for her to do. Especially after having such a public career living as a man. I think having that representation in the media is a really important thing, just for kids to see that it’s ok, they can do it too if they want to. That’s what I think, really. We just need other people to be brave and to come out as well, and keep coming out until it’s a normal thing. That people aren’t talking about for weeks.

Maybe this is cheesy, but do you have any advice for younger people who might come up against some of the issues you’ve faced?
It’s a bit cheesy back at you, but I would say just be yourself. You care so much when you’re a teenager and when you’re a kid about what other people think, but as soon as you get out of that school environment you’re like, oh this is what the adult world is like, I can just be whatever. So just get through I guess. Get through.

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